A discussion with Deva Woodly, who teaches in the Department of Politics at the New School for Social Research in New York City, where she also directs the Mellon Initiative for Inclusive Faculty Excellence. Deva has published widely on democratic theory and practice, focusing on the function of public meaning formation and its effect on self- and collective-understanding of the polity, employing multiple methods to understand the power of discourse in shaping democratic life. She is the author of The Politics of Common Sense: How Social Movements Use Public Discourse to Change Politics and Win Acceptance, published in 2015 by Oxford University Press, as well as Reckoning: Black Lives Matter and the Democratic Necessity of Social Movements, also published by Oxford University Press in late-2021 and is the occasion for our conversation today. This podcast explores the origins of the project, the role of social movements in democratic life, the location of knowledge production in conversation and discussion, the future of Black liberation struggle, and the critical function of radical Black feminist pragmatism in thinking through our moment. Cover art by Kei Williams, which gets some discussion in this conversation.