This conversation is with Rinaldo Walcott, who teaches in the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education at University of Toronto, where he is the director of the Women and Gender Studies Institute. He is the author and editor of a number of books, including Black Like Who? Writing Black Canada (1997), Rude: Contemporary Black Canadian Cultural Criticism (2000), Queer Returns: Essays on Multiculturalism, Diaspora, and Black Studies (2016) - all with Insomniac Press), On Property (2021) with Biblioasis, and most recently The Long Emancipation: Moving Toward Black Freedom, published with Duke University Press and the occasion for our conversation today. In our conversation here, we explore the relationship between emancipation and freedom, the enigma of time in Black freedom struggle, music and meaning, expression and mobilization, and the complexity of pessimism in our long-age of antiblack violence. Cover art, discussed at the beginning of the podcast, is "A Single Section: The Journey #2" (2016) by Torkwase Dyson.